Is It OK if a Scooter-Sharing Company Uses Two Street Parking Spaces on Coleridge?

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Neighbor Valerie wants to know how and why a scooter-sharing company decided to occupy two motorcycle parking spaces on Coleridge:

I wanted to alert you to the next (potential) wave in the Great Parking Wars of Bernal Heights.

This morning, we woke up to discover that Scoot — the new startup that rents scooters by the hour— has taken up two designated motorcycle spots on Coleridge Street. Let it be known that I am not against these type of transportation sharing companies — I think ZipCar is awesome — but I do have an issue with a company taking up public parking spots to make a profit.

My wife owns a motorcycle, as do many people in our neighborhood, so a company taking these public spots for their own business endeavors makes an already tight parking situation even worse. As she noted, the result of this will be that local two-wheeled owners will now have to occupy full car parking spaces (which they are legally entitled to do) and reduce the availability of parking in the neighborhood.

What perplexes us is how a commercial endeavor can claim the use of public spaces without the need for placards, notifications, or neighborhood surveys? It was the neighborhood that petitioned for these designated motorcycle spaces in the first place, and we personally know most of the bike owners that park there. By using public parking spots for their own profit, this effectively reduces our designated two-wheeled parking by 30%.

I called 311 to see if perhaps they could shed some light on this, and they have referred my inquiry to SFMTA. The operator did note that the City currently rents out parking spaces to companies like ZipCar, but this often occurs in locations like City-owned parking garages (where anyone would have to pay to park). These spots are also very clearly marked with ZipCar signs. I’ve also noticed ZipCar locations throughout the neighborhood but they are all located on private property, where I’m sure they are also paying rent for those spaces.

My guess is that the City does not know that Scoot is using public spaces to market their service (given the strong stance they took on the startups that were trying to save and sell public parking spots for a profit, I’d be shocked that they’re okay with this).

On Scoot’s webpage, it appears that they have a mix of parking located in private parking garages and the expansion to the public streets is relatively new.

I’ve attached a screenshot of Scoot’s instructions when parking in our neighborhood. Basically park anywhere between Virginia and the designated motorcycle parking at 82 Coleridge (oh and try not to take up a spot that a car could fit in):

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I can envision the passive aggressive parking notes now. While they advise their members to be mindful of the next street cleaning date, I’m wondering how they plan to address that. Is someone from the company going to come out and actually make sure the scooters are moved during street cleaning days? What about those scooters that are parked in the same spot for over 72 hours? Will they ensure that doesn’t happen?

My wife is a conscientious motorcycle rider and does not want to take additional parking from the neighbors we’ve grown to love, but she can’t risk the damage of her bike getting knocked over, vandalism, or parking tickets because a scooter company is squatting in public parking. Unfortunately this will often mean that she ends up taking a larger spot than she needs in an attempt to avoid having her bike hit as cars park/pull out of the spots around it.

I’ve put a call into the City, she’s emailed the scooter company, and I plan to contact David Campos’ office on Monday. We would just like clarification on how this works — can a private company use public parking to make a profit? The way the entire thing has gone down just seems shady to me.

PHOTO: The disputed motorcycle parking spaces on Coleridge, by Neighbor Valerie

86 thoughts on “Is It OK if a Scooter-Sharing Company Uses Two Street Parking Spaces on Coleridge?

  1. Yes please, and more of it. We are not going to solve our parking problem with more single owner cars parked on the road. We lost a great opportunity when City Car Share was scared away from putting in a car on Mirabel this year. A big shame.

    Car sharing works best when people are a block or two away from the shared cars.

    What percentage of cars sit idle on Bernal’s streets, just to be used once a week (if that)?

    We park a car on the street, and car sharing allows us to “only” have 1 car since we can use a zipcar when we get double booked. So many families have 2 cars just for that purpose.

  2. I get the frustration when a convenience you’ve become accustomed to is taken away, but if you own a vehicle that you’re parking on the street, by definition you’re storing your private goods on public property without cost. It’s a very large public giveaway that not everyone benefits from. Why is it cheaper to pack a shitty old van full of my stuff and leave it on the street than it is to rent a storage locker somewhere? In a city this starved for usable land, it’s nuts.

    • if the dude was allowing folks to ride his scooters for free then – by all means – park wherever you please. but this is a business. or maybe you’d like to offer them your driveway and/or garage?

      • It sounds like you’re making the argument that private goods stored on public space should perform some kind of public service, which is pretty similar to the argument I was making. People park private vehicles on the public street for free, but these vehicles don’t do any good for anyone besides the owner.

        From the perspective of somebody who doesn’t own a car, whether it’s a privately owned car or a Scoot doesn’t really make a difference. Somebody is storing their private stuff that doesn’t benefit anyone else on public property. The amount of money changing hands to rent the vehicle is paltry compared to the value of parking in SF. At least a shared vehicle like Scoot (or Zipcar, etc) can be a substitute for multiple people with lighter driving needs who would otherwise all need their own cars (presumably parked on the street).

    • you are not doing it for free. you are paying vehicle licensing fee, registration fees and taxes on the purchase on the vehicle. some portion of this money goes into the care and upkeep of streets. now, you can certainly argue that funds are not used wisely….

      • I’m pretty sure that most money used for streets does not come from the gas tax or vehicle license fee. Recall the last huge bond measure to take care of pot holes. People who own cars/motorcycles/etc do pay a little bit but mostly everyone foots the bill, even those who don’t own vehicles.

  3. Hi Everyone,

    I’m one of the founders of Scoot. A friend who lives in the neighborhood just forwarded this post to me. I am going to try to speak to these well-founded concerns and explain some of things we are doing to address them.

    First off, we are letting folks drop off and pick up scoots in your neighborhood in order to make it easier for people who live in your area, or people who are visiting your area, to get there and back in an affordable, fast, convenient, and eco-friendly way. We have had a lot of requests for service in Bernal, and my business partner lives there, so we thought we could offer something useful to the neighborhood. We are trying to bridge a gap between Muni and services like Zipcar and taxi services, and we do it in a way that doesn’t pollute the air, take up tons of parking, or put more big cars on the streets we share with pedestrians and cyclists.

    I’d also like to note that Scoot is locals only. No tourists. You have to live or work in SF to get a membership, so if you see a scoot on your block, chances are one of your neighbors dropped it off there, and one of your other neighbors will pick it up and take somewhere else later that day.

    To address some specific concerns of the post:

    Are we making a profit on public parking?
    A scoot ride costs $3. We want to be affordable enough for anyone to use on a daily basis. We would also be happy to pay the city for street parking, and the city already allows car sharing companies to do this, but those companies get dedicated spaces where neighbors are not allowed to park even when the cars aren’t there. Our scoots just park wherever there is a little space, and when they leave (usually in less than 24 hours) someone else’s motorbike can take the scoot’s place. Most scoot rides are one-way rides to another scoot location, so the scoot you see on your block in the morning will not likely be there that night.

    What about street cleaning and the 72 hour parking limit?
    I personally went to one of our other locations this morning to move a scoot so it wouldn’t interfere with street cleaning. Most scoots get used multiple times a day, but in the unlikely event that a scoot is parked in one place for close to 72 hours, we will in fact come and move it.

    Could our block be overrun with red scooters?
    No. Though there are many reasons to scoot to Bernal, we don’t want our whole fleet to end up in one neighborhood anymore than you do, so we strictly limit the number of scoots that can park in any one location at one time.

    If I don’t use scoot myself, how is this doing me any good?
    Since one scoot is shared by 15 – 20 scoot riders, and they make useful substitutes for driving, we expect that scoots will actually reduce the number of vehicles in your neighborhood, freeing up parking for you and others. Also, scoots are plug-in electric vehicles. They don’t have the local air pollution or acoustics of traditional cars and motorcycles, so hopefully you will only notice them when you see them sitting quietly waiting for you to need to go somewhere.

    Does the city know about this?
    Yes. The city is supportive of improvements to transportation in general and of Scoot in particular. We have let MTA know we are parking scoots on the street around SF and informed them of our processes to limit the impact on parking available to neighbors.

    We realize that the parking on one’s own block may technically be public, but those who live there feel understandably proprietary about it. Our hope is that a bit of space occasionally taken up by a small, shared vehicle will actually make getting to and from your neighborhood easier.

    Thanks for allowing me to share my view. I have braced myself for the feedback.

    Michael

    • thanks for addressing what you think are the issues…however you didn’t cover the fact that your commercial vehicles are using public parking spaces. we all don’t want to park right on our block but we do need to park – and those of us who own cycles want to use dedicated parking spaces for cycles so we don’t take up an entire car length space
      your attempt to address this concern was rather thin. simply saying “we expect that scoots will actually reduce the number of vehicles in your neighborhood, freeing up parking for you and others” is magical thinking at best. It may be part of your vision but who knows, perhaps someone uses the scooter and also owns a car or two. sounds good but…..
      and of course the city likes your idea. they’re the ones who’ve made it impossible to get anywhere on time using MUNI but push SF as a transit first city.

      • I seriously don’t understand your complaint. Look around SF, there are a number of businesses that park their marked vehicles on the street. Unless this business is parking in a metered spot for free, I don’t understand your complaint (morally or legally).

      • “…however you didn’t cover the fact that your commercial vehicles are using public parking spaces…” What a silly comment. There are plenty of commercial vehicles that park all over the city that use public parking spaces, some probably even on your block operated by your neighbors. They get a public benefit from doing so, even though their vehicles are used in transactions that generate profit for the companies that have them. Are you seriously suggesting that we should be distinguishing between different types of commercial uses of public parking spaces, discriminating against some uses but not others? And if so, it’s a poor argument that Scoot, which offers a vehicle sharing service would be the one to get the boot over say a plumber or house painter who might leave their vans parked for days between house calls.

    • Thank you Michael for taking the time to personally address some neighborhood concerns. I think your new network of scooters are pretty nifty, and wish you luck.

    • Michael – Thanks for your reply and for choosing our neighborhood to serve with your great business. Don’t let the naysayers discourage you – it’s the very definition of a vocal minority. And to my neighbors– Bernal has easier parking than virtually any neighborhood in the city. Having an environmentally-friendly company provide a great service to your neighbors, and to do so in ~6 feet of linear space, is a blessing, not a curse. Relax!

    • Michael, why doesn’t your business partner (assuming he/she has a driveway) make the Scoot spaces inside their garage?

    • I don’t have a car in this parking war, but I am really over watching the city being given away and taken by private companies. You don’t have a right to make a profit off those spaces. Rent garages like Zip Car and City Carshare. If you have the capital to buy all those scooters, you can afford some rent.

    • Michael – I love what you are doing with Scoot. My partner and I joined scoot about three months ago, we use it ~once a week. Since then, I have donated my personal motorcycle to charity – thereby effectively freeing one street parking space up.

      Best of luck, keep it up!

  4. Hmmm… lemme see… corporations are people, accordin to the men in black robes. Therefore the corporations already own those public spaces. Gotcha!

    Plenty of parking in Oakland, is what they’ll tell you. Scoot on outta here… we’re undergoin an ethical cleansing operation, so to speak, don’t need no neighborhood busy bodies.

    At least until that business model fails too.

  5. I’ve seen the Scoots parked in expired metered spots near Mint Plaza without getting tickets. I assumed it was because the Scoots are registered as mopeds (lifetime registration with no tags). Since there’s no way to block re-registration for unpaid tickets, DPT just doesn’t bother to ticket mopeds. For this reason, mopeds are generally allowed to park on the sidewalks in SF. The Scoots shouldn’t be taking up motorcycle spaces, they should be on the sidewalk. It’ll be interesting to see if the DPT tickets the Scoots for street cleaning considering the moped registrations.

    Those must be the only dedicated motorcycle spaces in all of Bernal Heights! I wish there were more.

  6. i think this scooter idea is brilliant. (unless of course they park right outside my window and leave for work at 7AM) saving the world is brilliant. electric scooters is brilliant. a business using something paid for by citizens with their hard earned cash not so much. car share companies are trying to get some 400 spots on our streets dedicated to them and will be taking those spaces permanently off the market for private cars if current legislation is passed – but at least they’re lobbying for the privilege –
    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/hundreds-of-sf-parking-spots-could-be-reserved-for-car-sharing-companies/Content?oid=2759086
    no sneaking into neighborhoods and usurping spaces for their own private use..plenty of opportunity to state you case if things are done openly (do they actually listen to the publoc comments?)

    • It’s citizens that use the car sharing cars too.

      What’s the difference between these two scenarios?:
      A. Someone pays $20K to a private car dealer to buy a private car for their own private use and parks it on a public street.
      B. Someone pays $200/yr + $15/hr to a private car sharing company to rent a shared car for their own private use and parks it on a public street.

      Mainly that the car sharing car serves a lot more people per space.

      (And also that it’s a lower cost for non-everyday drivers, allows them to live without their own car freeing up more parking, encourages to take Muni & bike & walk since they haven’t already paid the fixed cost of owning the car, the car sharing companies are going to pay more than private individuals, and one of the car sharing companies is a non-profit if you’d prefer not to support a for-profit company.)

      • The issue is getting quite clouded here. How did this become a debate over car sharing? I’m standing behind the initial hang up in the article that this company shouldn’t be able to take over public parking spots, that are already limited. Let’s continue using ZipCar as an example of how a similar situation has played out and is accepted/incorporated in our daily lives.

  7. USE PRIVATE SPACES! The hourly car rental places that have popped up all over (CityCar, GetAround, Zipcar, etc) all contract with PRIVATE property owners such as gas stations, grocery stores, and the like to park their cars on their private lots — NOT ON CITY PROIPERTY!

    I say TOW the miscreants off city owned property!

    It’s probably illegal, or should be.

    • One of the car share services, I think it’s City Car Share, has a street space on Bosworth near the Glen Park BART station and I’d bet there are others. I’ve always assumed they paid the city for it, but it doesn’t sound like Scoot is paying, so now I have to wonder.

    • Unrelated question: What is the term for someone who sees issues strictly in black or white, makes quick uncompromising judgements, and demands the harshest punishment possible for any perceived infraction?

      Hanging Judge? Spanish Inquisitor? Michele Bachmann?

      (insert smiley face emoticon here)

  8. If Scoots were not allowed to use motorcycle parking spots then what would riders do when out on their errands? Park on sidewalks or full car spaces? Or are you just suggesting banning them near your house?

  9. Motorcycles that are parked on the sidewalk can and do get tickets. So if the Scoots are taking up public spaces and a motorcycle on the sidewalk gets a ticket will Scoot pay for the ticket? If they will I’m all for this.

  10. Otherwise, mind your own business. Better yet, figure out a way to sidestep the competition – maybe rent a garage. Or “disrupt!” by getting the city to convert Bernal streets to a combination of meters and residential parking permits, which is probably the best way to level the competitive playing field.

  11. Not sure I understand how this is any different than any other business parking company cars or trucks on the street in public parking spots. As long as they are abiding by the parking laws and/or paying their fines like the rest of us, then there’s nothing to get upset about here. I’ll keep searching the interwebs though…I’m sure I’ll find a better place for my moral outrage.

    • I agree. If they are obeying the posted parking limits, this is perfectly legal, in the same way it is legal if I rent a car and park it on the street.

      It’s different than the situation on Powhattan, where the city is considering converting two public parking spaces into reserved car share spots.

      • my point exactly – i think the idea of electric scooters is a brilliant one…fewer cars, less pollution and not much noise.. but for godsake you’re running a business – right? does your business model eliminate the cost of rent by using public property for storage? any business that rents equipment has to have someplace for storage of same…you’re storing your equipment at taxpayer’s expense…and that’s what some of us are taking exception to.

  12. Parking is for anyone to use. Many of us use our cars to get to work and park the cars on the street — that would also technically be using the street parking for profit.

    That being said, this business is going to make parking better, not worse, for everyone in Bernal. I live on Elsie and we are very fortunate to have a garage spot for one car. We are thinking of getting a second, and if we did it would take up a whole street spot. I haven’t looked into the details, but something like Scoot could really help us avoid a second car.

    • Don’t be ridiculous…using your car to go to and from work is not the same. Scoot is a business. You own your car and drive to work because you choose to.
      They own (or lease) a fleet of scooters that are being paid for by renters – like Avis, Hertz, car share companies, etc
      I suggest that Scoot purchase one full automobile parking space (not park in free public spaces) all over the city like the car share companies are beginning to do. One automobile parking space can most likely accommodate 3-4 scooters. If they do that in every neighborhood they should be able to meet their goal of supplying the city with enough scooters to meet the demand.. Perhaps after they start to make some serious money they could begin to rent space in various locations accessible to a larger membership.

  13. This article may encapsulate the San Francisco mindset for too many of its inhabitants, when it takes a relatively small matter and blows it out of proportion, possibly because self-interest is involved.

    Rental scooters are exactly like rental cars in terms of what laws applied to them, which are the same laws as anyone else must follow.

    One might be frustrated when a limited supply of parking spaces is filled by rental vehicles, but as long as they’ve paid the meter and conformed to regulations, they have just as much right to be there as “you” do.

    • here’s the thing…..the spaces being used by Scoot’s scooters are not metered. they’re paid for by taxpayers. if they wanted to park in metered spaces i don’t think many of us would be writing here. .25 for 15 minits and move it after 1-2 hours?? that’s ok with me

  14. Oh, the irony. When this company wants to park a couple of scooters, all of a sudden street parking becomes a real thing that they should have to pay for. But when it comes to their private car or motorcycle, they should not only be able to park for free but also that free parking should be convenient to their houses!

    Either everyone pays for street parking, or no one does. You don’t have a right to park your car anywhere that you haven’t paid for.

  15. Love the Scoot Network idea. I own a car and have a two car garage in my home.
    Can’t wait to rent a Scoot for Downtown errands… So economical. Thank You Scoot!

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  17. I like car & bike sharing, I really like electric vehicles, I also really, really like Scoot’s concept, but I do not like private companies using public resources for their own profit. If these scoots were being stored in a corner of a parking lot where a car doesn’t fit, I’d be thrilled.

    I understand that they need to keep the cost down per ride, but worried they’re doing it at the expense of the finite # of public Motorcycle parking spaces.

    As a tax-paying San Francisco resident, when you own a vehicle that you’re parking on the street, by definition you’re storing your private goods on public property through those taxes ( & not to mention parking tickets, tolls, and permits) that you pay.

    Can we encourage Scoot to look into options at the Safeway lot, the Big Lots lot, heck, why not even give local schools & libraries a little extra revenue in their parking lots? Maybe we could bail out the Post Office system with an agreement between Scoot & their parking infrastructure?

    • I agree with Swimmity here. Scoot is a nice idea, allowing people to get around the city, creating less of a carbon footprint, taking up less space than car alternatives. That’s not the issue here. The issue is that they are for-profit and trying to grow a business. These two Scoots have moved in to 82 Coleridge as their home base for the neighborhood. Bernal is one of the few pockets in the city that doesn’t require a parking permit, which shouldn’t be abused.

      My recommendation is for Scoot to make an effort by requesting new motorcycle stalls from the city (cue backlash from fearful car owners) or work with local businesses to rent out space from their lots, in ZipCar fashion. This is a more scalable and community-oriented solution.

      Ironically, Scoot’s website says, “Remember to park nicely.” They need to remember to play nicely.

      • I still don’t understand the belief that a private car sitting around for free for weeks at a time is somehow more a “pure” use of a shared public space than a shared vehicle that is being used by multiple people who live in the neighborhood.

        It’s not like people are coming over from the Marina or Sunset to park their scooter in Bernal, it’s the people that live here in the neighborhood.

      • JEFF – you say
        “I still don’t understand the belief that a private car sitting around for free for weeks at a time is somehow more a “pure” use of a shared public space than a shared vehicle that is being used by multiple people who live in the neighborhood.”
        First – Private cars cannot sit around for weeks. There’s a 72 hour limit.
        Second – Public Space is Public Space paid for by you and me and all the other citizens of SF
        It’s NOT Public Space used to store commercial vehicles for profit. Imagine if the Library decided to allow private bookstores to locate their businesses within the library rent free? or the Federal Building allowed attorney’s to set up offices in the building rent free because it was more convenient. I mean come on….is it necessary to subsidize EVERY venture because they think they’re saving the world? Part of doing business is paying for usual expenses not taking a free ride on the backs of “the people”

    • Based on this inane logic, then corporations should pay more to drive (or not drive at all on) the federal highway since by definition that’s commercial use of public property.

      • They aren’t STORING INVENTORY on the highway. They pay for private parking lots.

        Otherwise the Chinese Restaurant across the street from me would just store boxes of live crabs in the parking spots out front instead of paying for a costly renovation inside the store.

        Are the people posting these fallacies of logic Scoot employees?

  18. I see no reason why a motorcycle cannot park in these spots as well. Even if it takes up two. Why the hell Coleridge street and not Crescent where it goes along at Mary’s park? Why a sense neighborhood like this?

    Would she be ticketed at could she win that ticket? Since when is there scooter only parking? I only know of motorcycle parking which scooters are allowed to use.

    Poor planning on this company’s part. Very poor.

  19. Scoot is a great idea! Thanks for sharing your thoughts Scootnetworks. All the best to you.
    On another note, with the increased [at times violent] rime in Bernal Heights, especially on the South slope, to complain about parked scooters is trivial.

  20. If I drive my car to work where I get paid from a for profit company, can I use a public space in Bernal? What about a contractors truck? If you rent a car can you park it in these spots? Is any private vehicle public? Perhaps we should remove the spots any make them a Muni stop. This seems as fair as use as any once we give away (or rent out) our public land for vehicle storage.

  21. Motorcycles and old scooters are actually horribly polluting, so these electric scooters are a breath of fresh air and should use some extra parking. Perhaps it will encourage more people to ditch their huge cars and to walk, bicycle or rent these.

    • Are they ‘actually’ ‘horribly pulluting’? Or did you just make that up?

      My motorcycle meets CARB requirements and gets 50mpg.

  22. I’m really confused here. The comments are all over the place.
    What we’re (I’M) taking exception to is, the fact that a company has built a business on the backs of taxpayers.
    Our taxes(and other automobile related revenues) are used for many items – one of which is what people here call “free” public parking. It isn’t free.
    So why should private enterprises like Scootnetworks, be granted the ability to avoid a very basic buisiness expense by parking in public spaces without paying for it?

    • If they had exclusive use of the parking spaces, they would be building a business “on the backs of taxpayers”, but they do not have such exclusive use. Any motorcycle or scooter can park in an open space.

      If they don’t park there, they’ll park in some other space nearby. Unless you’re going to ban commercial vehicles from parking in Bernal, I’m not sure what you expect them to do differently. (And that’s if you can come up with a consistent way to define “commerical” for the sake of such a regulation…)

  23. ahhh.. parking posts, always my favorite.

    Just a thought, taking Jaime’s post a little further I pose a question to all who believe that this is ok:

    If Avis or Hertz were to open an office on Cesar Chavez and chose to park their rental fleet on Bernal Streets all while abiding by the 72 hour limit, the outcry would be deafening. I don’t understand the difference here.

    • Jared, you didn’t actually pose a question. Friendly nitpicking aside, I can explain one difference. Using common sense, we can see how no new ordinance or public outcry is necessary to keep your Rental Car Company scenario from happening. The “urban socio-ecological system” (sounds real-ish to me!) has evolved to prevent such misuse without acute intervention. There are hundreds of parking regulations. There are tens of thousands of potential parkers. Can you imagine the time and person hours it would take to manage a fleet of rental cars parked on neighborhood streets? It would be astronomically expensive, and completely impractical. So… no deafening roar.

      Likewise, I’m sure factors we haven’t even thought of will determine Scoot’s viability and shape its future.

      The totality of our civilization is like a human body: almost all of it maintains itself automatically. We can take care of the few things that require our attention, and still have time left over to watch “Orange Is the New Black.”

      Or we can be hypochondriacs, lose our minds over every hangnail, and die of stress at 45.

  24. The difference is that shared vehicles are used mainly by neighbors in the neighborhood not the public at large and directly remove multiple other vehicles from the parking area.

    It seems that many people looking at this issue keep thinking that somehow the users of these vehicles are somehow not Bernal residents.

    If Bernal neighbors were not using these scooters, they would not be parked in the area.

    • so what if the people using the scooters are neighbors?
      It doesn’t matter WHO is USING the scooter…what matters is the company is using property paid for by citizens thru taxes etc.
      Scoot’s P&L’s is comprised of expenses and revenue. this company is totally eliminating one of its’ major expenses by using public property to “garage” “store” their capital equipment on public property.
      plus in this case they’re parking in a neighborhood public space without even feeding a meter.
      in spaces BTW that were fought for by neighbors so they could park their cycles in a safe place and not take up an entire automobile space.
      Bajato:
      i don’t even know what you’re talking about. rental cars (hertz, alamo, etc) are generally picked up from one location and dropped off at one location..as are most of the car share cars. it scoot wants to pay for permits to park in an exclusive area then they’d have to go thru the usual permit applications and public comment etc. that would be a step in the right direction
      BTW your comment about becoming a hypochondriac was just silly – if we don’t watch out for bullies taking advantage of us we’re zombies

      • Did you read the post I was replying to? Simplified version: Q–Would Scoot supporters raise hell if a big company like Hertz stored its fleet on city streets? A–Doesn’t matter, because there is no way it could happen.

        Consider: A company like Scoot grows beyond a certain point. It becomes too costly to hire employees to move scooters that don’t happen to get moved by customers. (Did you read the founders’ post? He said he personally moves scooters as needed. How long do you think THAT will last?) It will become LESS expensive and complicated to come up with a private solution.

        “Bullies?” Using that word here cheapens it for when the real bullies come along. IMHO.

        (I hate to risk going off topic, but you want an example of a bully? The N.A.P. of the SF Parks Dept., which almost succeeded in destroying the six beautiful old Olive trees in Holly Park because of their religious views.)

        2 scooters on a street in Bernal = hangnail.

  25. It is time for permit parking. With all the restaurants coming in, I can not find a place to park my car in front of my house. I am so tired of it. I can not drive after three o’clock. Some neighbors have three to five cars per household. It is not right. I don’t think it is OK to rotate your cars and own a space on the road either. Please get Bernal “permit parking” with two hour limits/ Permits have exception. House holds should have limits on cars.

    • first – what makes you think that you’re entitled to park in front of your house?

      second – and really this is a whole other topic (permit parking)
      permit parking doesn’t do much actually. after a certain time – 6PM i think – anyone can park
      so only permit holders are allowed to park all day and night within the permit area for 72 hrs and then they have to move the vehicle.
      i do agree about multiple cars per household taking up spaces all over the place.
      some even have garages that are filled with debris (household crap) and park all their cars on the street.
      but if they move them after 72 hrs ( they have to be moved at least one block away) it’s legal.

    • Just rec’d an answer to my email from the SFMTA’s director of transportation
      Please note that SFMTA has included a link to their “CAR SHARE POLICY PROGRAM” which clearly states that they’re in favor of parking car share vehicles on the street for better visibility…and will be turning more public parking spaces into car share pods https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/projects/SFMTA%20Car%20Sharing%20Policy_MTAB_20130716.pdf
      All the more reason to cast your vote in Nov in favor of this measure
      http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/candidates/Nov2014/Nov2014_RestoringTransportation.pdf
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      From: DirectorofTransportation
      To: “‘ereiss1@yahoo.com'”
      Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 9:40 AM
      Subject: Scootnetworks

      Dear Jaime,
      Thank you for your email voicing your concerns regarding the use of public motorcycle parking spaces by private scooter rental companies.
      I understand that it can be disconcerting to the residents who have worked collaboratively and persistently with the SFMTA to get motorcycle parking spaces installed on Coleridge/Virginia and then to see a private business, such as Scoot, place their vehicles in those spaces. Legally however, Scoots decision to park their scooters in public parking spaces throughout the city does not violate any laws and, therefore, there is nothing we can do in terms of enforcement.
      Additionally, the SFMTA supports Scoot’s efforts to promote ride sharing through scooter rentals. As you may know, ride sharing has many known and demonstrated public benefits, substantiated by extensive independent academic research (see introductory notes to the Car Share Policy and Pilot Program, adopted by SFMTA Board 7/16/13). Among these established benefits are: reduced household transportation costs, reduced private vehicle ownership (meaning fewer neighbors cars parked on a given block), reduced vehicle miles travelled and associated greenhouse gas emissions and reduced roadway congestion. Scoot’s business model aligns with the SFMTA’s vision for a Transit First city as outlined in our Strategic Plan.
      The SFMTA considers Scoot vehicles to be like any other personal vehicle and as such, we require them to adhere to the same parking rules and restrictions. If Scoot vehicles are found to be parked over the 72 hour time limit or violate street cleaning hours, they will be cited by our Parking Control Officers. As long as Scoot users follow the on-street parking rules, public parking spaces are available to anyone on a first come, first served basis.
      Though Scoot is not breaking any laws by parking their scooters in a public space, we do encourage them to collaborate with us to designate pickup and drop off locations for their scooters. Open communication between the SFMTA, Scoot, and community members will allow us to reap the benefits of ridesharing while minimizing the disturbances for residents of the city.
      Again, thank you for your letter. Feel free to write back to me if you have any further questions or concerns.
      Sincerely,
      Edward D. Reiskin
      Director of Transportation

  26. our block has been taken over by scoots. There are no motorcycle spaces so they park with the cars. The issue is that the scoot users don’t park very nicely and really have no incentive to do so. There are currently 4 parked on our street with 2 taking up full parking spaces. Our block is surrounded by 2 hour parking that is why we are now a scoot hub. We are trying to join the residential permit program.

    • john if you have an issue with this you need to contact edwin d. reikin dr of transportation (above) but i’ll tell you know the scoot people are in bed with transportation – good luck

    • john if you have an issue with this you need to contact edwin d. reikin dr of transportation (above) but i’ll tell you now the scoot people are in bed with transportation – good luck

    • Oof. Avoid the residential permit program. That’s just inviting additional parking enforcement (i.e. tickets) for you and your neighbors. It will do nothing for the Scoots, which are registered as mopeds and rarely get tickets.

      • YES. YES. Listen to neighbork.

        Please resist the temptation. More parking regs and cushman carts will not save you.

        The Law of Unintended Consequences is real and applies here in spades.

  27. Call 311 and ask to speak to the Sustainable Streets department to get the Scoot company to pay for parking, as the other ride share companies do. I just did. Taking up parking spaces for your business on a regular basis without authorization is not fair to the neighborhood. 3-5 Scoots are NOW parked on and around the 800 block of Eugenia all the time — this seems like a “pick up” or “drop off” location that is not authorized or being paid for by the business. I am all for entrepreneurialism and saving the environment, but when you have a business you need to go through the proper channels and make sure not to annoy your community.

  28. here’s the latest from the Dir of Transp. i sent him a picture of two scoots taking up a parking space for 2 cars – they were parked rt in front of the laundromat on folsom near the park. i still don;t think that skoot or any other company should avoid the cost of warehousing its inventory by asking the general public to pay for it through our taxes.

    Dear Jaime,

    Thank you for following up and sorry for the delay in my response.

    From an enforcement perspective, we treat Scoot Networks vehicles that are parked in public street parking spaces like we treat any other vehicle. If a Scoot scooter violates a parking rule, we cite that vehicle. If a Scoot scooter is following the rules, we have no legal ability at this point to ticket, tow or otherwise cite it. The same is true for any vehicle parked on San Francisco streets, whether owned by a resident, a company, a visitor or anyone else.

    That said, the current model Scoot is using is not ideal, even if they are technically following the rules. By promoting scooter pods at specific on-street locations, the company may give the impression that they have an exclusive claim to public street parking spaces, which is not the case.

    The SFMTA is interested in learning more about how to better integrate this new model of sharing into the transportation system. One option is to dedicate specific on-street parking spaces to shared scooter systems. We have initiated a pilot project of this nature for car sharing organizations and are considering a similar pilot program for scooter sharing. Dedicating specific on-street parking spaces to qualified scooter sharing services like Scoot would allow us to learn about the benefits of vehicle sharing while taking into account community parking needs.

    Vehicle sharing does provide significant public benefits – car sharing has been shown to reduce vehicle ownership rates, parking demand, vehicle miles traveled and greenhouse gas emissions. Scooter sharing may provide similar benefits, but we’ll need to analyze the evidence and carry out a public conversation before we implement an on-street scooter sharing program.

    I hope this responds to your questions. If you have any additional concerns about this topic, please contact Andy Thornley at (415) 701-4213 or Andy.Thornley@sfmta.com.

    Sincerely,
    Edward D. Reiskin
    Director of Transportation

  29. I love Scoot!!!! It’s completely enhanced my quality of life in the city. I am a resident of SF who cannot afford a car or scooter of my own. Therefore, everyone complaining about this needs to “check your privilege” because you sound like spoiled children. If you can afford a car AND live in SF, you don’t have a right to complain about a service that lower-income people use. I’m a taxpayer too and completely rely on this service.

    • My wife is a public school teacher and I am an artist. Hardly privileged. My issue is that people who use scoot need to be kind to the community and try to park responsibly. By using a scoot on the street I live on you are now apart of that street’s community even if you are just there to park.

  30. +1 for John
    I’d like to add that I’m very much in favor of Skoot as a means of transportation.
    BUT…….
    I take exception to the fact that Skoot uses our tax dollars to store its assets on the street instead of paying for storage like any other business with capital equipment.
    I realize that these vehicles need to be accessible to renters but other rental vehicles seem to be able to cover that issue. The scooters don’t HAVE to be right there in front of ones house to access it.
    If a business owns property – in this case rental vehicles – and parks them on public property that business should pay the city for that privilege.
    I admit this business adds to the public good by providing a good transportation alternative but they ARE a business like any other business with the ultimate goal of turning a profit and therefore should not be allowed to take advantage of us tax payers by using public parking.

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